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		By: Mark Groenig		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Groenig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Apr 2024 03:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://martinturnbull.com/2012/11/10/ship-cafe-venice-beach-3/#comment-405767&quot;&gt;Martin Turnbull&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s what we call ourselves now. I bought my first Harley in 1973 and I&#039;m still riding today. The term &quot;motorcycle enthusiast&quot; came about in the late &#039;80s. When Schwarzenegger, Hulk Hogan, Jay Leno, Kurt Russell, Billy Idol and his crew started showing up at the Rock Store on Mulholland on Saturday and Sundays. Parents would take their kids there to see them. The term &quot;Biker&quot; did not really apply to them so I guess we got a politically correct name. That is when Harleys became cool to the mainstream public... I was there and witnessed it. Shortly after that it was a year and a half wait to get a Harley because everybody had to have one in their garage whether they knew how to ride it or not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://martinturnbull.com/2012/11/10/ship-cafe-venice-beach-3/#comment-405767">Martin Turnbull</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what we call ourselves now. I bought my first Harley in 1973 and I&#8217;m still riding today. The term &#8220;motorcycle enthusiast&#8221; came about in the late &#8217;80s. When Schwarzenegger, Hulk Hogan, Jay Leno, Kurt Russell, Billy Idol and his crew started showing up at the Rock Store on Mulholland on Saturday and Sundays. Parents would take their kids there to see them. The term &#8220;Biker&#8221; did not really apply to them so I guess we got a politically correct name. That is when Harleys became cool to the mainstream public&#8230; I was there and witnessed it. Shortly after that it was a year and a half wait to get a Harley because everybody had to have one in their garage whether they knew how to ride it or not.</p>
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		By: Martin Turnbull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Turnbull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2024 19:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://martinturnbull.com/2012/11/10/ship-cafe-venice-beach-3/#comment-405766&quot;&gt;MARK GROENIG&lt;/a&gt;.

Ah, so it&#039;s a motorcyclist enthusiast club.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://martinturnbull.com/2012/11/10/ship-cafe-venice-beach-3/#comment-405766">MARK GROENIG</a>.</p>
<p>Ah, so it&#8217;s a motorcyclist enthusiast club.</p>
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		By: MARK GROENIG		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MARK GROENIG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2024 19:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://martinturnbull.com/2012/11/10/ship-cafe-venice-beach-3/#comment-405765&quot;&gt;Martin Turnbull&lt;/a&gt;.

They&#039;re holding a banner that says, &quot;Pacific Motorcyclist Western Wheelman&quot; Another restaurant is in the picture on the right called the Ocean Inn Cafe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://martinturnbull.com/2012/11/10/ship-cafe-venice-beach-3/#comment-405765">Martin Turnbull</a>.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re holding a banner that says, &#8220;Pacific Motorcyclist Western Wheelman&#8221; Another restaurant is in the picture on the right called the Ocean Inn Cafe.</p>
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		By: Martin Turnbull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Turnbull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://martinturnbull.com/2012/11/10/ship-cafe-venice-beach-3/#comment-405761&quot;&gt;Mark Groenig&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow, Mark, that&#039;s a lot of bikes. And it&#039;s before Prohibition, so it wasn&#039;t a raid. I wonder what was going on?!?!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://martinturnbull.com/2012/11/10/ship-cafe-venice-beach-3/#comment-405761">Mark Groenig</a>.</p>
<p>Wow, Mark, that&#8217;s a lot of bikes. And it&#8217;s before Prohibition, so it wasn&#8217;t a raid. I wonder what was going on?!?!</p>
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		By: Mark Groenig		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Groenig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a photo of the cafe with well over 100 motorcycles parked in front of it. I would say it&#039;s around 1914 to 1918. I have the only copy of the photo.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a photo of the cafe with well over 100 motorcycles parked in front of it. I would say it&#8217;s around 1914 to 1918. I have the only copy of the photo.</p>
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		By: Martin Turnbull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Turnbull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2021 23:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://martinturnbull.com/2012/11/10/ship-cafe-venice-beach-3/#comment-399655&quot;&gt;Dave Crawford&lt;/a&gt;.

Ward McFadden was your great uncle??? That&#039;s pretty amazing. I don&#039;t suppose there are any photos of the place stashed away in some old family album? None of the photos I&#039;ve seen of it make it seem seedy.]]></description>
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<p>Ward McFadden was your great uncle??? That&#8217;s pretty amazing. I don&#8217;t suppose there are any photos of the place stashed away in some old family album? None of the photos I&#8217;ve seen of it make it seem seedy.</p>
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		By: Dave Crawford		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2021 22:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My great Uncle Ward McFadden owned this outfit. It was seedy even by Irish standards.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My great Uncle Ward McFadden owned this outfit. It was seedy even by Irish standards.</p>
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		By: Martin Turnbull		</title>
		<link>https://martinturnbull.com/2012/11/10/ship-cafe-venice-beach-3/#comment-397833</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Turnbull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2020 18:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://martinturnbull.com/2012/11/10/ship-cafe-venice-beach-3/#comment-397832&quot;&gt;David Sundstrand&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey David, I&#039;m glad that my various posts and blogs have helped you relive old memories and perhaps help you with the research for your next book. I envy you that you got to experience LA at its peak!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://martinturnbull.com/2012/11/10/ship-cafe-venice-beach-3/#comment-397832">David Sundstrand</a>.</p>
<p>Hey David, I&#8217;m glad that my various posts and blogs have helped you relive old memories and perhaps help you with the research for your next book. I envy you that you got to experience LA at its peak!</p>
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		By: David Sundstrand		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2020 18:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello Martin,
I get to see myself chasing my tail everyday. 
Grandpa led a hell of an interesting life. So Martin, I don&#039;t want to be sailing under false colors, I&#039;m a writer as well. I&#039;ve published a couple with St. Martins Press. The one I&#039;m presently working on is set in the LA of 1939. I grew up there, and alas many of the &quot;historical pics&quot; you have posted are from my time. Let me thank you for the timeline and all the effort you&#039;ve put into the many postings. 
Best, David Sundstrand]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Martin,<br />
I get to see myself chasing my tail everyday.<br />
Grandpa led a hell of an interesting life. So Martin, I don&#8217;t want to be sailing under false colors, I&#8217;m a writer as well. I&#8217;ve published a couple with St. Martins Press. The one I&#8217;m presently working on is set in the LA of 1939. I grew up there, and alas many of the &#8220;historical pics&#8221; you have posted are from my time. Let me thank you for the timeline and all the effort you&#8217;ve put into the many postings.<br />
Best, David Sundstrand</p>
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		By: Martin Turnbull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Turnbull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2020 23:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://martinturnbull.com/2012/11/10/ship-cafe-venice-beach-3/#comment-397820&quot;&gt;David Sundstrand&lt;/a&gt;.

It might be all fake, but I&#039;d think it would also be fun to see yourself chasing yourself!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://martinturnbull.com/2012/11/10/ship-cafe-venice-beach-3/#comment-397820">David Sundstrand</a>.</p>
<p>It might be all fake, but I&#8217;d think it would also be fun to see yourself chasing yourself!</p>
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